Seroquel taken with ambien help

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  • #382183

    Histicely
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    Hey there everybody. I have been using Seroquel for approximately 5 years or so for my sleep. I’ve been having real issues with insomnia so like 5 years ago I’ve started to take Seroquel which truly helped me. initially I have started at approximately 200 mg and approximately 4 years later (a bit over one year ago) I have upped my dosage to 300 mg. the problem is that approximately around that time when I’ve upped my dosage, I’ve also started to notice that I have started to eat more during the night, after I’ve been taking the Seroquel and gained a lot of weight. Well, to make the long story short – about 2 months ago I have decided to get my dosage cut in half since I have noticed that 300 mg wasn’t helping me. therefore, since I have not been able to get any help from 300 mg per day – I haven’t noticed absolutely any difference in the way I was sleeping through the night after switching to 150 mg per day. I mean… the way I was not sleeping at 300 mg per day, the same way I was not sleeping at 150 mg per day and that’s why this has not been anything new for me or a problem or anything in this matter.
    When being on 300 mg per day and still not being able to sleep I realized that it is time for a change and that’s why, the change consisted in cutting back half of the dosage and in starting doing whatever I was able to do in exercise wise (by the way, I am a disabled veteran and that’s why exercising is limited for me). but anyway, I was still trying to do whatever I could and that’s why I’ve been exercising in my parent’s pool and I’ve noticed that this has truly helped me a lot. In addition to this, my change consisted of a new diet. All in all, these 3 changes has resulted me in losing 20 lbs.
    Well, of course I’ve done a research about Seroquel and from this research i’ve heard that this drug can cause weight gain so I do know for sure that for me it did this. now… with all of that being said I’m having a question that I can’t answer myself so I would really like to get some of your valuable insight in regards to this. maybe there’s somebody out there who is in a similar situation and can help me or has more knowledge? Well, please tell me would it be safe to use, for example 100 mg of Seroquel with, for example 10 mg of Ambien? If that’s so I would really like to use this combination. I have to say that I’ve been thinking a lot about discontinuing with the Seroquel completely before I try an ambien, however then later I’ve seen that there are people who are using these 2 drugs together so I would like to know how safe/ dangerous this combination is? I’m just asking for your recommendations and advices here. Thank you very much for everything.

  • #382184

    Andith
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    First off I wanted to say that this is amazing that you have managed to lost the weight and that you started to feel better, that’s amazing and that’s very well done!
    However, if I would be you, I would still consult your GP about this combination. Yeah, I did have heard of people that have been scripted both of them as well, however under a doctor’s supervision it is going to be a lot much more easier and plus, the dosages are very important as well. best wishes.

  • #382185

    Crystal
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    Oh well, sero quell it is an anti psychotic drug (which I hope you already know) and I might be wrong IDK, but I personally feel as if it can do more harm than good and that’s why I would try to stop taking it completely. And yeah, I came to this conclusion not by reading and studying but because I have been on it myself for approximately one year and during the time I have been on it my life has truly changed in a bad turn, this is why I wouldn’t recommend it. I do know that as any other medication out there it works differently for different people but why would you take the risk? and yeah, it did has helped me for my sleep, however there are also other medications that are designed specifically for getting you sleep and they might be much safer than this one. I know that for a few years now doctors tend to prescribe this medication for sleep (although it is an anti psychotic drug and not a sleeping one) and I guess this is because they are feeling more comfortable to give a script for this drug due to the fact that it simply is not a benzo and they are afraid of giving benzos. I find it really sad because benzodiazepines are way much better for sleep if comparing to the sero quell and that’s because this one has way too many side effects some of which are too bad. It is obvious that benzos have side effects as well, however they have much less sides in my opinion, again, based on my experience. And so, I would really recommend those people who are already using this medication for sleep to think once again. Since it is an anti psychotic I think that this drug must be given only to people who really have psychotic issues, not for those who have sleeping issues as they need something else. That’s why I stress that you must go and discuss about this with your doctor, to tell him that you are not feeling comfortable anymore to use this drug for getting sleep and that you would rather use another one. I mean, you need to tell him that you need a medication that is going to help you with your sleep and only with your sleep. I honestly think that it is now the right time for those doctors to finally wake up and to finally start giving out the right drugs for the right conditions and to stop being so concerned that this might have a bad look on them and on their reputation for giving you a benzo for your sleep. In the end, they are only thinking about themselves but you are the one who needs help and not those doctors. So it should be done in your favor in my opinion. I really hope that they are going to start waking up and would start doing their job properly… and I hope that you are going to get help that you actually need.

  • #382186

    Ewan
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    Hey there OP, I have noticed that you’ve done a mistake… you said that your Seroquel dosage started to be ineffective for your sleep and you’ve started taking a higher dosage… well, this is not the medication that works this way. for a sleeping aid, using a higher dosage of Seroquel is not going to make it any more effective… in fact, there are some people who think that it can even make it less effective for sleep, that’s because it is believed that Seroquel can greatly help for sleep if taken in a low dosage, however it start working differently if taken in higher doses and that’s not for sleep (but for anti psychosis effects etc.).
    So if you want your Seroquel to work for you ONLY for your sleep then only take lower doses as higher doses won’t work for your needs. And yeah, I did have used them both together (ambien and Seroquel) and I personally could not notice any difference at all… or at least that was my experience with them, maybe you’re going to get some other experience. But yeah… it is going to make you gain weight…

  • #382187

    Histicely
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    So well, first of all I need to say a very big thank you to each one of your for taking your time responding. Thanks a lot for recommendations, warnings and your advices. It means a lot for me. so well, my doctor does know very well that I have had a bad experience in the past when I have tried ambien and this is why I know that he is just not going to prescribe them to me. as in regards to the benzos I haven’t mentioned in my first post but he does give me a script for Xanax 1 mg to take 3 times per day and so – I already do take benzodiazepines. As far as the Seroquel right now… well, I am trying to do my best in order to work my way off of it, however the problem is that I just cannot feel as if it is going to work out fine in case I am going to tell him that I have stopped to use the Seroquel and that I have started to use ambien instead (and that’s even if I am going to tell him that I haven’t ordered online or ordered illegally etc. but telling him that they were from years ago when I have been prescribed them by this doctor and I had some of them left until now).
    I’m currently just going to ween myself off from the Seroquel (I hope and I think that it should not be very hard) and after that I am going to start using the ambien. As I said, I’ve been thinking about taking them both together, however now I just don’t feel like mixing these 2 as I am afraid that who knows what kind of effects they are going to have on me. it sounds too risky for me.

  • #382188

    Casey
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    Histicely hello, how are you doing? I have been prescribe Seroquel for the last 2 years now and I have been using it at 600 mg per day, however I have not been taking it (and at this dosage) for sleep aid like you need it… I’ve been given it for some other health reasons and I have been using it along with some other cocktails out there of different flavors (and here I can mention the SSRIs) and I am now trying to taper of the Seroquel as I have already tapered down to 100 mg at the minimum and this is without getting the feeling as if I am missing them. but you know, in fact I do not miss them but I feel as if I feel much more better for it which to be honest is a surprise as I thought that tapering down would make me feel completely the other way around than how I feel now: much better, more clear headed etc. this is the reason why I am currently cannot wait until I am going to be completely free of it (I’m still being rational so I don’t escalate it quickly), as they are telling that everybody out there is very different when it is coming to medications, however for me I wouldn’t touch it ever again to be honest. I do not try to say that nobody should use it and I am not trying to say that everybody has same experience as I had on it and that’s why, please no offence to anyone by telling this but for me, by using it, it just put me and my brain in a veg like state which I obviously absolutely didn’t like. This is all because this is a very potent and very serious medication which should be treated as one, unfortunately it does seems lately that docs do not as they could give you this strong, potent and serious medication to the slightest issue.

    As in regards to the weight thing and that you lost it – that’s amazing and I tell you it is very well done which I can congratulate you with! If I would gain some weight on it then I just don’t know how I would lose it… that truly needs dedication IMO… thankfully and luckily for me, I didn’t gain weight on it although I was taking quite a good dosage… as for the ambien part… well, I personally have never taken ambien and that’s why I am not able to say anything about this drug myself. Therefore I obviously can’t say anything about the cocktail: ambien with Seroquel… however I did have been on a lot of other medications out there alongside the Seroquel and I can say that zopiclone it is one among many others out there. however, as it has already been recommended to you, you’ve got to talk to your doctor about this and see what they think. I’m not a professional or anything in this matter so I can’t say anything for sure or to be so helpful… but at least for me I know that tapering down of the Seroquel is making all the things better and that’s why, I now really want to get off it completely. Wishing you all the best !

  • #382189

    tuntko
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    Hey there, not sure how helpful this might be but here’s just my 2 cents: it does seems as if this Seroquel is being often prescribed along side some other drug out there or maybe even drugs and as much as it seems – it is truly all about the dosage! It does works very well as an anti psychotic with the pregabalin as much as I know, however from my experience it is also being used as a sleep aid. Not very sure what to say about this mixture that you are specifically asking histicely… I mean ambien with Seroquel… I haven’t heard of it. tho since both of them are designed to help with sleep then who knows?

  • #382190

    Histicely
    Participant

    Hello there Casey and very much thanks for your kind words – it really means very much for me. I am in the exact same way as far as I am not feeling that I am missing anything at all and exactly as you said, since I have tapered off a bit – I am feeling much better overall and I also definitely feel a lot much more clear headed. As you I was thinking and expecting that getting off from it is going to make me have the feeling as if I miss it. or that it is going to give me withdrawals. Or generally that I would feel bad… as if when a smoker smokes for years and then stops – he feels bad. I thought that the same here, but I see that it is not and that’s amazing. in addition to the feeling better, I am also not binge eating anymore now during the night and so, I have only good and big reasons to get off of it completely. And I do feel as if these are really good reasons to do so.

  • #382191

    Andith
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    in addition to the feeling better, I am also not binge eating anymore now during the night and so, I have only good and big reasons to get off of it completely. And I do feel as if these are really good reasons to do so.

    Oh yeah I do know what you are talking about as I have been said that Seroquel is doing that… I mean the binge eating effect and I heard that lots of people experience it. so it is obvious that you gain weight on it. and also there’s an effect of what they are now calling which is ‘sleep walk eating’.

  • #382192

    Crystal
    Participant

    Well, look, I just wanted to write another post here to make you understand it a bit better, hopefully it will… so well, I have went to a sleep clinic and the doctor there has told me that she gives her patients klonopin for them to sleep, however she told me that she is never giving any more than just 2 mg. she said that in case the 2 mg is not helpful then she is then going to try out something else, something different, but she is not going to exceed the 2 mg of klonopin. As for me, luckily, the klonopin did turned out to be helpful as it has worked well in managing my sleeping issues and also my anxiety problems too. I consider myself to be very lucky because this is a double win for me since one medication is working so well for both of my conditions! This is amazing. and as I have already said it earlier in my first post, please… you need to search into taking another drug for your sleeping issues, other drug than Seroquel. I might be wrong but I think that any other drug instead of Seroquel could be better. And not trying to say that better in terms of how it helps, but better overall… again, as I have already said this – yeah it does helps for sleep, however it is not a sleeping medication so trust me that it can do lots of damages. And what I really cannot stand is that doctors does know this very well, however they still continue on giving out this medication… I absolutely hate it when they are giving this drug for sleep aid…

  • #382193

    EuniceAA
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    Hello there Histicely… I am not sure if this is going to be anyhow helpful for you but I wanted to comment on this post of yours:

    So well, first of all I need to say a very big thank you to each one of your for taking your time responding. Thanks a lot for recommendations, warnings and your advices. It means a lot for me. so well, my doctor does know very well that I have had a bad experience in the past when I have tried ambien and this is why I know that he is just not going to prescribe them to me. as in regards to the benzos I haven’t mentioned in my first post but he does give me a script for Xanax 1 mg to take 3 times per day and so – I already do take benzodiazepines. As far as the Seroquel right now… well, I am trying to do my best in order to work my way off of it, however the problem is that I just cannot feel as if it is going to work out fine in case I am going to tell him that I have stopped to use the Seroquel and that I have started to use ambien instead (and that’s even if I am going to tell him that I haven’t ordered online or ordered illegally etc. but telling him that they were from years ago when I have been prescribed them by this doctor and I had some of them left until now).
    I’m currently just going to ween myself off from the Seroquel (I hope and I think that it should not be very hard) and after that I am going to start using the ambien. As I said, I’ve been thinking about taking them both together, however now I just don’t feel like mixing these 2 as I am afraid that who knows what kind of effects they are going to have on me. it sounds too risky for me.

    So look, because of the fact that you are being prescribed 1 mg of Xanax TID from your doctor then I have quite some big doubts that he is going to have absolutely any problems to prescribe you the ambien. You said that you had a bad experience with ambien… was there a bad maybe ‘just a single time only’ type of experience that you have told to your doctor about in regards to the ambien that might have been a bad idea? I ask this because there are sometimes when, if you are telling them about these one time events/ reactions, then they are automatically assuming that these type of bad experiences/ events are going to happen all the time and then it doesn’t really matter what you are saying. This way they just want to diminish the risks or I don’t know… well… I also have been on 300 mg of this Seroquel for approximately one year or so. Cannot actually remember but I just know that I regret being on it. it has caused me to have some breathing issues and I have been eating absolutely EVERYTHING that I just could find in the house. It has been horrible! And I mean… everything at all! was a moment when I didn’t had absolutely anything in my house anymore. Not sure how to explain this horrible experience. As with the ambien… I noticed that this one is making you hungry as well, it makes me a bit hungry (although not 100% as Seroquel – it happens 95 % of time with ambien), however it is nowhere near as horrible as it is with that darn Seroquel… and by the way… didn’t help with sleeping at all, either. Again, not sure how helpful this might be for you but I hope it is. also hoping that you are going to finally get the medication that is going to work for you!

    Also wanted to comment on the last poster here and wanted to say that this is very and very well said!! I totally agree with you that for sleep problems should be given sleep medications. as you, I’m also getting mad when I see that the doctors are prescribing their patients some kind of anti depressants and some anti psychotics for sleep disorders… this is just another way that they do not have to script a controlled substance and put their arses on the line! Well… god forbid we are starting to be dependent on a drug that it is actually helping us to improve well the quality of our lives! Could the controlled substances be addictive – I’m very sorry but a ‘likelihood of getting dependent, even when is being used as directed by the doctor over a period of time’ due the fact that they are ACTUALLY working for those people who are having some really bad and severe and simply unbearable anxiety, or/and insomnia or/and pain?!

  • #382194

    Crystal
    Participant

    Oh yeah, you are absolutely right about that! I also find it really sad when the doctors do know a certain type of medication is going to help, however they just want to keep themselves safe so they do play safe due to the fact that it may look bad on them because of what they are giving to us, and not because the medication might be bad for the patient. I am a lucky one because the doctor does understand me and is giving me what I actually need and not what is ‘not going to look bad on his reputation’. He is a good doctor and I appreciate it very much as he listens to me and to my needs. He is really trying to control my pain, my anxiety… and he does knows that he is also helping me with the muscle pains by giving me the flexeril. However I realize that I’m one of the few lucky ones, as I said… because I do know that there are people struggling as I read some stories of people that are having a really really bad and hard time to get what they actually need and to be honest, this stresses the hell out of me, although I’m not in such a situation. But it irritates me so much because I can’t understand how selfish you can be not to prescribe what you KNOW that it is going to help but instead you give what you doubt that is going to help (and often you see that it doesn’t help the patient and still keeping him on that stuff). This is what leads me to think that doctors are being more worried about their asses other than us, although then again, we are the patients and we are the ones who need to get help. Just take care my friend, hopefully you are going to be alright!

  • #382195

    Histicely
    Participant

    Hey there again and thanks one more time for all of your help. But you know… I was already thinking about this and then you said this:

    So look, because of the fact that you are being prescribed 1 mg of Xanax TID from your doctor then I have quite some big doubts that he is going to have absolutely any problems to prescribe you the ambien. You said that you had a bad experience with ambien… was there a bad maybe ‘just a single time only’ type of experience that you have told to your doctor about in regards to the ambien that might have been a bad idea? I ask this because there are sometimes when, if you are telling them about these one time events/ reactions, then they are automatically assuming that these type of bad experiences/ events are going to happen all the time and then it doesn’t really matter what you are saying

    So you know, looking back right now, it was clearly a really bad idea to tell him about that. And that’s while I absolutely didn’t had any intentions like this and I haven’t thought that it could lead to this. my doctor does not have a problem to prescribe me anxiety drugs as needed though… and due to the fact that I have always have been honest with him about it and generally about everything, I am now thinking that maybe I will be lucky enough and he is going to give it a try.
    Now… you said that you were also eating on ambien a lot… well, to be honest I don’t actually remember to have such a side effect as I don’t remember ambien to interfere with my eating schedules at all, however it has been quite a while now and I had very little experience with it and that’s why I can’t say for sure… we’re going to see. One sure thing is that I am going to be really happy to finally be off Seroquel… so far, I have not experienced any negative effects from reducing my dosage and this is why I am just going to keep reducing it more and more until I would be totally off of it. just hope this is gona be rather sooner than later. Having this said, I just wanted to ask you… have you experienced any negative effects when you have completely stopped to use the Seroquel? If you did, how did you overcome them? what kind of negative effects? etc. thanks again for everything!

  • #382196

    ShieBa
    Participant

    Hi Histicely…
    First off should say that unfortunately, I cannot tell you and cannot answer which is good for you and which is not good for you… in fact I can say that I doubt someone here can say this but I can only give you my observations if you want or need some…
    Secondly… I did have seen Seroquel being prescribed alongside ambien by doctors a lot… and that’s especially in medical detox enviornments, or maybe even as an alternative to the ambien/ to the sleeping medications, or to the benzos as it really does seems to be considered to have a reduced profile of getting addicted to them (of abusing) in comparison with benzos or to the Z sleepers.
    As much as I know, there are some people out there who reported a side effect of Seroquel describing it as ‘munches’ akin to the marijuana munchies, and therefore the weight gain (as much as it seems, the weight gain must be considered in the medical community to be much less harmful than reliance on safe and established medications like for example valium and that’s simply due to the fact that it has never to be considered *A* word Addiction….
    A position that I just cannot reconcile it is the medical professions position between (just for example) benzodiazepines, and also anti depressants. If there is somebody who is using benzos on a regular basis, there is one who might become ‘addicted’ (you are going to experience withdrawal symptoms and so on and so forth, if you are not going to simply stop using them, indicating that you are being an addicted person of the benzos). However, on the other hand we have that if we are going to use an antidepressant (as an example Lexapro), then the person should ‘ramp down’ gradually off it, because if the person does not then he (or she) may experience ‘unpleasant side effects’. I guess the difference is obvious when you are getting withdrawals from using one and unpleasant side effects from using the other one. This is, at least, not fair. Anyway… my apologies for going off topic. I’m gonna stop right here.

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